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This week we will begin working on comparing and contrasting. Why is knowing how to effectively compare and contrast an important skill? Informally compare and contrast two things (essays, narratives, or movie) we have read/watched in class.
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Comparing and contrasting is something you use in everyday life not just Ms. sarah's English class. It's a very good thing to know and understand so that you knoww how and that you can make that choice. I always am one to compare movies and stories or books. How different they are when you read the book there is always the actually story, but when they make the movie they add all the extra stuff into to try and make it better. In the end i ususally end up liking the book better. Also with comparing two essays you may find that both use ethos, logos, and pathos, but in two different ways. they each have different ways of explaining it or getting their point across.
Knowing how to compare and contrast things gives you a significant advantage when writing papers or even when talking to others. Politicians, for example, compare and contrast their own viewpoints with those of their opponents in the attempt to make themselves look good. Compare/contrast is a powerful tool and a good way to convey information.
In Crimes Against Humanity, Ward Churchill opposes the humiliation of American Indians. Margaret Atwood also, in Letter to America, criticizes the alarming trends in America today. However, while Ward Churchill's essay is laced with sarcasm and bitterness, Atwood's "letter" is expressed tactfully and (for the most part) kindly. Which method do you think is more effective?
-Adrian
I believe that it is an important skill that we use in our everyday life. We use it when we go to the grocery store, in choosing what food to buy, healthy versus junk food. We also apply the skill in our social lives. For example, when we get a new friend we compare what qualities they possess versus the one our friend already have. In class we use the compare and contrast skill a lot when we were reading the two short stories, The Good Immigrant Student and No Name Woman.
I believe that knowing how to effectively use compare and contrasts is a very important skill to have. If you dont know the difference between compare and contrast you should really learn because comparing two things is way different than contrasting them. Comparing two things is finding out what is the same about two different things and contrasting something has to do with finding differences in two different things. In the movie "Thank you for Smoking" the drug administration is trying to tell of all the bad things that cigarrettes do to somebody. While on the other side Nick is trying to convince everyone that its not the cigarettes that are killing everyone its just normal life. During the whole movie there is a big arguement of compare and contrasts. In the story "Inside the Home" Frawley tells about all the bad things that the big corporations are doing to patients in nursing homes. She compares about how she has done these things to patients before because of the lack of work but then she always contrasts her ideas because she knows that all of these things are going on and wants people to stop them
Knowing how to compare and contrast is a very useful skill to have. You compare and contrast things every day without realizing it. The story The Good Immigrant and Inside the home are both stories about things that the authors had experienced. Both the stores are different because one talks about nursing home experiences and the other talks about being a new foreign student.
Both of these stories are different but yet have things in common.
Tyler
They attacked to Nick by cutting his clothes and putting a lot of putches of nicotine, they also were evaluating his merits on the product. that was a fallacy of Hominem. When they were insisting in to add symbolos and warning labels to remain people that how dangerous is smoking, in this case that's another fallacy of Populum. They also had a big meeting in Washington DC, just to discuss more about cigarettes and may increase the price on it. It will be a good idea, so that way people may be stop buying it.
Comparing is showing how items are alike. Contrasting is showing how things are different. It is important to be able to share how things are the same or different. “Inside the Home” and “Crimes Against Humanity” both tell out injustices committed against people. Yet, they are about such different topics in regards to people involved, injustices done to them and how the authors go about making their voices heard. In this case, there seems to be more that is contrasting the than the ideas that are comparable to each other. A. Hampton
Comparing and Contrasting is something we use everyday. I believe that without it we would be boring human beings. I compare and contrast books and movies all the time. Two different stories we read in class were Inside the Home by Jill Frawley, and The Good Immigrant Student by Bich Minh Nguyen. In the article of Inside the Home, Jill Frawley tells her story of how the badly residents are being treated in our nursing homes. In the article The Good Immigrant Student, Bich tells us the story of herself and how she had to live in America and being Vietnamese. Both stories have a lot of emotions in them but one is just a story about how we are treated when we are kids while the other is how we are treated when we are elderly. We can't go through life without comparing and contrasting every day things.
You need to know how to compare and contrast things so that you can make good decisions about what to buy, where to go, or simply what movie to go see.
Farron Fiedler Jr.
I think it's important to be able to compare and contrast when looking at writing. When you understand what the writer is comparing what to you can understand the text better. I think that all of the essays that we have read in class focus on American societies problems. Atwood discusses our rape of the constitution, Churchill repremands us for our racism, and Brandt explains out lack of religion.
Compare and Contrast is something that you use in everyday life without really thinking about it. Most of the time when you go shopping you compare prices of different items to look for deal and get yourself a better purchase. People compare things in all aspect of lifes of everyday. It is virtually an unconscious process or you can do it without thinking. For some reason however, it seems harder to compare and contrast things when putting them on paper than just talking about it in everyday life because we start thinking about doing it.
Comparing and contrasting happens everyday. It is a skill one should try to master in order to find out what is right and what is wrong in many situations of life. In "Do Kids Need Religion?", Anthony Brandt compares and contrasts the correct way to raise children. Should kids be raised going to church even if the parents don't believe? Also, in the movie "Thank You for Smoking", Nick Saylor compares and contrasts the impact smoking has on the American society. Since he was effective publicly at comparing and contrasting, he became a great lobbyist. Thus, comparing and contrasting is an important skill to have, because it is a way at selling what you believe. It is a way to explain why you do what you do. Comparing and contrasting can help you confirm your opinions.
brokaw
I feel it is important to understand comparing and contrasting, because you use it in everyday life. You use this when you go to the store and try to figure out what you want to get for food. When you are able to do this, you are able to understand the whole story or document you are reading. When you are able to do this, it always helps you with wrting papers. It even helps you when talking to other people about the story.
Life is about choices. Some of the choices we make, involve comparing and contrasting. For example, medical insurance or car insurance. Which plan is best? Do you want full coverage or only half coverage? If you get full coverage, yes you will be paying more money, but it would cover all expenses in the long run. If you get half coverage, and you are in a car accident, you will not have very much covered in regards to the damage to the vehicle. If the vehicle is totalled, and you have full coverage, the insurance will give you money to purchase a new vehicle. Compare and contrast is the basis of us making better decisions in our daily lives.
-Miranda
Comparing and contrasting is a skill that many people apply to situations in everyday life. When comparing and contrasting you are acknowledging the differences and similarities between two or more different objects, places and even people. Examples of such are if you were explaining what an orange looked like compared to an apple. In the movie "Thank You For Smoking," Nick is comparing the good things about smoking and the bad things society is trying to accomodate from smoking. He continues to say if smoking were to kill, wouldn't things such as driving a car, a plane and so on. That is comparing and contrasting a certain topic, showing the differences of each and even the similarites of each. Comparing and contrasting is something that society uses in every situation to display the best verse the worst. Not only is there the good and the bad but also many others that seperate one thing from the next.
Brittany Hagge
Comparing and contrasting are techniques used in everyday life. When going to the grocerey store, you must decide what is healthy and what is bad for you. In this scenario you are contrasting items according to their nutrional value. In an English class you compare how two essays or pieces of literaturee are alike and contrast how they are different. If you don't know how to do this properly you could be making a complete fool of yourself.
Aryn
Knowing how to compare and contrast different things is a skill that can be used in everyday life. We all make many different decisions everyday. Being able to compare and contrast the pros and cons of the situation will hopefully help us make the right decision.
In the movie “Thank You For Smoking”, Nick Naylor works for a tobacco company. However, he tries to convince himself and the rest of the world that it’s not his fault that people are dying due to the effects of cigarettes. In “Inside the Home,” Jill Frawley talks about her experience working in a care facility that mistreated its patients. Frawley, like Naylor, tried to make it sound like it wasn’t her fault that the residents weren’t being treated with the proper care that they deserved. However, both Naylor and Frawley eventually admitted to their wrong-doings.
Caitlin Weaver
Compare and Contrast is one of my favorite topics to talk about. In our lives, there are so many contrasts and comparison we can find, easily. It's important to have the ability to compare and contrast some things. In the essay of "Letter to America", Margaret Atwood compares and contrasts the current America with the old one to show the readers how America has changed throughout the years.
To answer Adrian's question about which method is effective, Atwood's skill is more effective.
She has more credibility on what she talks in her essay. Whereas Churchill, although he respects the Native American, he more likely to bring anger in his essay.
I prefer to read an essay from an author, who has more credibility and facts on what they're writing.
Though, Atwood also gives her opinion about America, she assures the readers by using the Band Wagon fallacy to make them agree with her opinion.
Overall, I think all of us need to know how to compare and contrast, because for a simple example, we need to know which is good and bad in anything to weigh our lives.
I feel knowing how to effectively compare and contrast is important in every day life. You can better get your point across in a discussion if you properly know how to compare and contrast. We compare everyday of our lives; we compare ourselves to others. We may compare our personal traits with that of a friend to see if we are similar. I feel the two essays we first discussed in class, “No Name Women” and “The Good Immigrant Student”, are similar. They both deal with foreigners coming to America. The essays tell of how both women try to assimilate and preserve their heritage while living in America.
Being knowledgable on how to compare and contrast effectively is very important. You can use it in presenting an argument, or just making a personal observation.(Which I do just about everyday) My husband has a hard watching movies, bcause I am always comparing the movie to reality. And if i have already read the book I am constaltly informing him of the differences and comparisons. For me it is just a natural reaction.In Atwood's essay "Letter to America", she basically says the United States has been sluffing off and going down hill. In Jill Frawley's essay "Inside the Home", she approaches the same topic, but talks about the lack of funding pf health care from the government.
Being knowledgable on how to compare and contrast effectively is very important. You can use it in presenting an argument, or just making a personal observation.(Which I do just about everyday) My husband has a hard watching movies, bcause I am always comparing the movie to reality. And if i have already read the book I am constaltly informing him of the differences and comparisons. For me it is just a natural reaction.In Atwood's essay "Letter to America", she basically says the United States has been sluffing off and going down hill. In Jill Frawley's essay "Inside the Home", she approaches the same topic, but talks about the lack of funding pf health care from the government.
In everyday life, comparing and contrasting is a needed skill for many things. You compare/contrast items in the store, different opinions, people, etc. In comparing the two essays, both Wiesel and Carter are con-war. They used ethos differently in their articles as well. both of them have built up a lot of ethos over the past 2 decades. However, if we knew the info that we knew today, Wiesels argument seems very false.
Charlie K.
Comparing and contrasting is an important technique because it allows you to distinguish between and see the similarities in two view points. Once you can tell the differences you can begin to see why those differences exist. For example, Wiesel and Carter both agree that war is not a good thing and unfortunately it is neccessary at times, but they disagree in whether the current situation in Iraq constitutes a just war. Wiesel thinks it is and you can see that he is influenced by the injustices he suffered in the Holocaust. Carter thinks it is not based on criteria he has set for going to war, none of which does the Iraq war meet.
Tyler Rygg
I believe that comparing and contrasting is a very importent in writing papers. Beleive it or not we use it all the time with out knowing it. You compare and contrast when your shoping for the best prices in food, apartments, and even cars. you compare the qauility, the price and the acomadations. a lot of writiers use it very oftin. Ward Churchill discusses some problems with america. Atwood as well tells us the problem with America. However Churchull tells the reader about racism and Atwood references the constitution. (Greg Call)
Comparing and constrasting is more or less just common sence. If you dont know how to do it you should. Everyday people compare the pros and cons of of things it can be as simple as what clothes your going to wear or if you are going to eat at the Mac shack or Jimmy's. I like you compare some movies together like the super hero movies. Find out what the pros and cons were in the stuff.
Joel Kramer
It is obvious that comparing and contrasting is important in everyday life. We compare one situation to another to see which is preferable. We compare movies, literature, and other forms of entertainment to determine what type suites you best. It is the way of things, and there is no avoiding it.
In comparing Wiesel and Carter you can see a large difference in how they feel about the situation. Wiesel is more for the war in the sense that Sadam was a mass murderer and he was known to have biological weapons in the past so it stands to reason he still would.
Carter is more opposed to the war because we did not use proper judgment in certain situations and lacking in our basic principles.
When I go about comparing and contrasting I think argument in a way. I take one item and find the good and the bad in all of it. I think that in the story "Do Kids Need Religion" it is kinda comparing and contrasting in itself. When the author talks about how he thinks his kids might need religion the takes the goods and the bads from both not being religious and also being religious. He goes on to talk about how if he is religious then there is alot of questions from his kids that would be answered easily. On the other hand he talks about how he as a child went to sunday school and didn't learn a thing. I beileve that if you go into a chruch thinking that you are going to learn and worship your god than it will happen.
Brad Carlson
Jinny
Comparing and contrasting is important in everyday life. For example just deciding if you even want to show up for school is a comparing and contrasting situation. You have to decide whether you're missing out on something important that day, or if you're just throwing away money on gas, because it won't be anything you will ever use again. If I had to compare and contrast two stories we read in class it would be "No Name Woman" and "The Good Immigrant Student." I would choose these stories because they both refer to coming to America, and the choices you have to make in doing so, but on the other hand they're are both so different in everyother way.
Having the ability to compare and contrast is important in everyday life. We compare and contrast the places we go, the movies we have seen, the books we have read, and the stuff we buy. We look at what they had in common, what makes them different or alike, and what we like about them. The essays "No Name Woman" and "The Good Immigrant Student" are good for comparing and contrasting. They are alike because they both having to do with immigrant authors and them telling their stories. But they are different in the approach and specifically the situation in which they tell their stories.
alreed1
Compare and contrast is part of everyday life. The simple ones of what to where or eat, but being in a collage class requires this ability is to be honed and uses more thought. In reading an assignment for a class requires the student to use their thought process much more. The simple compare and contrast we have understand the difference between how Nguyen and Kingston see the changes of immigrants living in the US. Also in the movie Thank you for Smoking we have to think about what Nick say to get others to believe in what he says, and if someone has the ability to compare and contract in an effective matter they will be a much harder person to persuade.
knowing how to point out the similarities and differences in media is an important skill. Being able to spot a ripped off script in a new movie from one of your favorites points out who is original and which DVDs you should buy so you don't have the same movie over and over. I think that A Letter to America and Crimes Against Humanity are somewhat similar in the sense thatSomething needs to change in America. We are not respecting ourselves and our fellow citizens which is supported by both sides. But there are major differences. One is that A Letter to America states that we need to go back to a better time in our lives where times were simpler. Now Crimes Against Humanity is looking at how Americans use Native American symbols as a form of deragatory meaning rather than embracing that culture.
Brandon Harrison
Comparing and contrasting are used in many ways. It is important to know how to use comparing and contrasting happen quite offen. Examples of these would be comparing and constrasting your friends, books and movies, stories, and ect. Also, what we did today was compare and contrast about Elie and Carter. Elie wanted to stop Hussein because he is scared that it would end up like how Hitler was. Carter didn't want to start war because the other people there didn't do anything to us. To compare of course they both didn't like or really want to have war.
As one of the bloggers said previously we use or see compare and contrast being used in everyday life. Compare this product to that one in advertisement. As also mentioned by a blogger our politics is full of comparing and contrasting this issue or that candidate stance on an issue. If a write/speak is able to show both sides of issue one might be more convinced to take there side of the issue.
The two essays that we read today (Oct.11)are using compare and contrast as to whether we should or shouldn't be in this war with Iraq. The Jimmy Carter stance seems to be against the war, where as Elie Wiesel thinks that though war is an ugly thing it is necessary to prevent ugliness that could happen if we didn't act fast enough. Both have good points, but while I think there are valid humanitarian reason for being there, Carters argument does seem stronger. I think that Wiesel may have gotten a bit to emotional when writing this essay. I wonder though had bush from the being had made it a humanitarian cause if Carters essay would have been different.
Being able to decipher information is crucial in life. For instance, most people believe the news on T.V. If there was a monumental event that unfolded in a college classroom,comparing and contrasting comes into play. A school newspaper columnist who happened to be in the class will have a different perspective of the event as opposed to a big news correspondent such as CNN. Big business news companies may leave out crucial points that the student identified in detail. Obviously CNN will have more people reading from their perspective because of their "Credibility", while the other student would just be flaked off due to the lack of owning a Multi-billion dollar news monster.
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