Everyone made good comments about plagiarism--why it is important to avoid it, how to avoid it, and what types of penalties happen to those who plagiarize. Good work overall!
For our blog, please use this space to respond to "All's Not Well in the Land of the Lion King," "Football is a Sucker's Game," or our two articles about running at recess and the "dangers" of tag. Please keep your responses appropriate and focused on ideas. Be respectful and put into practice the techniques we discussed in our PowerPoint regarding the construction of arguments. Review the fallacies of argument. Review ethos, pathos, and logos.
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I feel that recess and tag is just a way of growing up. Yes it’s true that kids get hurt playing tag. The answer is not to get ride of tag. Perhaps a more organized recess would help the problem. What would be the long term effects if you eliminated recess?
Children set in school all day behind a desk. They’re forced to listen to the teachers which generally don’t know much about the subject. They’re just reading from the books their given. Being a kid once, when I was give an opportunity to do something other then sit in the tiny classrooms. I took it. Recess is a children’s way of taken back their freedom.
I agree that tag and recess is their way of burning energy. I also understand that at some playgrounds children get to rowdy. I also agree with not eliminating recess. By working on making recess safer and by having more supervision it would reduce the problem. By eliminating recess you would be creating more work for the parents, especially if you’re a single parent.
Greg Call
I believe that recess is a necessary part of a young child’s schooling. Recess is a time where children get to relieve stress and have a small break between their times of learning. I think without recess children will continue to grow overweight and have a harder time paying attention in the classroom. This could cause many children to get distracted and make it harder for all the students to learn.
I do believe that recess does need to be a safe environment; however recess is a time where children get to learn about things in life that the classroom can’t really teach them. Interactions with other kids is not always an easy task and children are not always going to get treated the greatest by their peers. I feel that without recess children will not only continue to grow overweight but even have a harder time coming to terms with rejection. Not everyone was created with the same abilities and the sooner children can come to terms with and realize what exactly they are capable of the better.
I also find it hard to regulate recess to the point where it is hard for children to really do anything that will help him enjoy their adolescents. When I was young I did get hurt in recess, but that is part of life. You’re going to hurt and need to learn how to deal with that. Children need the freedom to experience these things and get that interaction with other people their age without complete regulation and supervision. They can’t learn to defend themselves or play fair with an adult constantly looking over their shoulder telling them what is and what is not acceptable. These are things that kids need to start to learn on their own at this point in their lives.
Jinny
After reading the two articles about the children not being able to run and play at recess, I thought about how petty and stupid people are becoming! I just kept thinking about how much fun I had at recess. I couldn't believe that people were considering taking away the most exciting part of school. After I started thinking about it, I realized how I wasn't looking at all the angles. What about the kids who live in cities, and are scared to play outside due to violent neighborhoods, or the only playground at their school is a fence around the top of the school building. How fun can that be? I realized how lucky I was to be raised in a farm community. Where we had places to run and play where we wouldn't get hurt. I think that if these parents don't want their children to get hurt, or if the children don't have anywhere to run and play, maybe someone should consider doing something about it. All schools have a gym don't they? Well schools should start planning extra curricular activities the children can play in the gym, so they're not just sitting around. This way they'll still be getting the excersize they need, and wont get recess taken away from them all together.
In the two articles on tag, the author uses pathos in the case of the kid getting hurt and on how the parents didn't have insurance for thier child so they had to sue the school for negligence. This story is also an example of ethos because he was the principal of the school in which the kid got hurt playing tag. He used ethos in the terms of, if schools don't want to get sued by parents of hurt children from rough recess play the schools need to ban games of tag at recess. He also uses the arguement that recess is healthy for children and much needed by them. So which do we decide is more important? Well, it really depends on who you are and what your personal interests are.
Nicole Carlson
I feel that recess is a very important part of a child's day at school. It's the time in the day where the children can run off some steam and take a break for learning, at least that's what they think. Recess is just another class, it's a class on learning to share and play with others. Those parents and groups that are trying to take away recess, or at least the fun parts of recess like running and tag are only going to make it harder for the students to concentrate during class. These groups need to sit with children for a full week without any recees and they see how much they want to take away recess and running. Because, not only is recess a break for the students but it's also a prep-time for the teachers. It's important for everyone in a school enviroment and it needs to stay.
Now I understand where some of the people's opinions are coming from; like they don't want to be sued. But really the parents just need to face the fact that kids are going to get hurt, it's all part of growing up. The best solution for the problem that would keep recess and make the parents happier would be having more supervisors on the playground, because only having two people to watch 60 or more kids is pretty rediculous.
ARYN JEWELL
I strongly disagree with many points brought up by the author in "All's Not Well in The Land of The Lion King." There has been a great deal of controversy over many of Walt Disney's animated films throughout the years, including The Lion King. I personally feel that not only The Lion King, but all of Walt Disney's movies are meant for purely for children's entertainment.
The author of "All's Not Well in The Land of The Lion King" brings up many good points, and it's easy to see where she is coming from. It's only normal for mothers to want to protect their children. However, I feel that many peopel today depict different things in our society to an extreme extent. Many things that are or have been believed to be harmless are now suddenly viewed as bad. People pick out minute details and twist them into inappropriate things or relate them to many different controversial issues. I believe that the author had good intentions, but did indeed twist details from The Lion King into things that aren't really there.
Caitlin Weaver
I decided to review the two articles about tag, one of the articles stated that, “Undirected play ‘allows children to learn how to work in groups, to share, to negotiate, to resolve conflicts’ and to learn how to stick up for themselves, a report last month by the American Academy of Pediatrics concluded.”
By saying this, it is indirectly assumed that they believe organized play doesn’t allow these same objectives, if that’s the case, I would have to disagree with the author. I believe that we can get rid of tag and avoid many of the repercussions that could come of it and still preserve the desired goals we are trying to promote for the children. Firstly, although undirected play may encourage some valued traits for children, the negative repercussions out-weigh the good. Schools can’t afford being sued left and right for the negligence of this play that otherwise could have been avoided. Schools aren’t big money makers and need to take as much action as possible to avoid anything that might take their money away.
Secondly, although the author may be well intentioned, by getting rid of this unorganized play we will not discouraging any positive traits, in fact, we may be encouraging better traits through organized play, such as teamwork, responsibility and character. It is my hope that we can keep recess and organized play, and discourage tag and the negative repercussions that come with it.
I thought that the article "All's Not Well in Land of 'The Lion King'" was a very interesting one. I have never read anything like that before in my life, especially about an innocent Disney movie that nearly all children love.
what came to my mind after I read it was children will never think of it as what the author did. She obviously has a very strong pathos to argue towards this article. And to be honest, she got me.
She points out interesting argements for the readers to think about. Some of us have seen "The Lion King" when we were young. We had the idea about how pretty and peaceful their lives in the jungle with the guidance of a strong king, Mufasa. I always thought of "The Lion King" as a guidance to a better life and peacefulness.
Logos also includes perfectly with Lazarus's arguments. She makes great sense to all of us, as the readers. It's true that there's no such a thing as the peaceful "Cirle of Life".
Lazarus quoted, "This is not a story about animals - we know animals don't behave... deeply in children's consciousness"
She's right on this one and I agree with her.
Lions can never be friends with other preyer, such as elephants, giraffes, etc, which in the movie they showed a inrealistic picture.
Overall though, I still love Disney movies becuase they're so dreamy and they make me happy.
Recess is and always has been a part of a child's school day during which only requires having fun socializing with friends and other children. I believe that recess is needed in every school to give children the opportunity to release the energy built up from having to sit in class. I think that they deserve to be rewarded for behaving in school. I can understand that children get hurt on the playground, but getting hurt in part of being a child. On another note, the problem with obesity in the United States, recess is definitely a necessity. There are also many cases today dealing with teachers ability to handle children that have trouble sitting in class and referring them to doctors for ADHD evaluation. If my nephew doesn't take his medication one day, the school sends him home before he even misbehaves. If recess is taken away, some teachers will lose it.
alreed1
I understand where you are coming from, but at the time I don’t feel you have looked at the sides of it. What kid doesn’t love to go outside and play? When I in elementary school, I loved to go outside and play for recess. The game we always played was tag, and yes somebody did usually get hurt, but that’s not what we intend to happen. I feel that if you take this away from kids, that they are going to be more rowdy in the classroom, and just drive the teachers more nuts.
I feel that recess is a good thing to have for kids. They are going outside and running and having fun. While running they are burning those calories that they have eaten through out the day. Everybody is always complaining that we Americans are over weight, and especially young kids. So my question is why you would take recess away from children. I see where they don’t want the children to play tag because of someone getting hurt, but why take the whole recess away.
When taking this away from children it isn’t only making them more rowdy in the class, it is also messing with there health. Yes there is gym class for them to go and run and have fun, but that’s not everyday of the week. When children go outside for recess there is more for them to do than just play tag. I remember the boys playing football or some other game, and the girls just sitting around watching them and giggle because we thought some of them were cute. So taking the students free time away might be hurting there social skills as well. Like the article said it is talking away from learning time of certain things, but I always remember seeing some kid out on the play ground sitting on a bench reading a book, some kids are just more interesting in that type of thing compared to others.
So in conclusion I feel that taking away recess is the wrong thing. Yes, children go to school to learn, but they also go to have fun and make friends. Like your parents tell you, live your lives while you’re young, because the real world isn’t as fun as you think. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
“All is Not Well in the Land of the Lion King! I think that the author beings out many good points. She uses both pathos and logos in her argument. After we viewed the few clips in class and I read her article I wonder if she looked too far into the movie. Like when she points out that lions are not friends with anyone else in the jungle. It is a kid’s movie, right! Or maybe Disney is just wrong? Why would he be putting this stuff in to children’s movies? So my mind got really curious about all the movies and I found several other poor scenes. Go to goggle and type “subliminal messages in Disney movies” you will get tons of hits, have fun!
In the article “All's Not Well in the Land of the Lion King” she expresses her own personal biases and tries to push them off onto the pubic. She does make some points about the “darker side of town” and Scar does do a little flamboyant pose, but if you aren’t looking for stereo types that may fit those characteristics. Just because one hyena was voiced by Whoopie Goldberg doesn’t necessarily mean that all the hyenas were supposed to represent a certain race. To think that is so prejudice. Yes they held a darker appearance, but how does one impart an “evil” aura so that children can understand it. Oh yah. Make them hide in the shadows, outcast because of there evil ways.
Also I don’t see why she would assume Scar was a homosexual. He did one little flail of the hair with a raised voice. Does that mean because I’m straight I can’t do flail my hair. That doesn’t make sense to me, sure you could see that as a sign of homosexuality, or you could see it as him acting funny. Keep in mind Scar was in the middle of a “spontaneous” song and dance that just pop up all over the kingdom from time to time. Not that any and all of those songs could be considered gay.
If you look for prejudices you will see prejudices, and when you point at those supposed prejudices then you do nothing but encourage the spread of such thoughts.
Woops. That last one was MINE.
TADD KINGSBURY
In "Football is a Sucker's Game," he has a lot of great points. Everyone knows that sometimes athletes have their coaches on their side and always are making sure that they stay eligible to play in the game. Even though most, not all getting away with so many things such as turning in an assignment, taking a test on time, or coming to class. How do you find that fair to the rest of us who may not be in sports, but still strive to do well in school and may be falling behind, but an athlete flys through the course because of extra special treatment. Many people want to deny that doesn't happen and it may not at every school, but i know it did at mine. I know that life isn't fair, but I guess they are the ones who are going to pay in the end if they want to continue their education, but they are still at a 6th grade level. So I guess it can be fair everone gets what they deserve in the end. Everyone and every school is different though so this may not apply to evertone.
Kids will be kids. The restriction of a child that wants to run and play will never work. Though a person can be repressed, there will always be a manifestation of there natural desires. The desire to have fun, play, run, shout, and laugh will come out if not at recess then in the class room at the dinner table or Sunday morning at church. This is a great example of an exercise in futility. I would say to parents if they child’s school is considering this move your child. If you are an administrator at these school I would say consider what it was like when you where a child and what would you want. This could be just another example of how our school systems have failed our children and continue to deprive students of there potential.
Chris Brown
I feel that recess is necessary for our children today. It doesn't cut into their studies to me recess is a area of study. It is exersise, and a good time for learning social skills. Our nation is the number 1 nation for being overweight and have obese kids. If we get rid of recess then we are wanting our children to have bad health and a bad life with the chance of dieing to early because of not working out or running around to burn off energy and to keep fit. So please protect our future generation by letting them get the social skills and the oppertunity to have healthy lives to live a long happy life.
In "Football is a Sucker's Game," Michael Sokolove suggested that football is, in fact, a detriment to colleges. Although I had not previously given the issue much consideration, I found his argument compelling. While I understand that sports are important to many people, I feel that the goal of a college is not to create fans and team spirit. College should be, primarily, a place for academic progress. Those in favor of college football point out that sports scholarships provide people with an opportunity to receive a higher education, an opportunity that they would not otherwise have had. However, I suggest that, instead of pouring money into expensive sports facilities, schools should set aside funds for people who do not have an outstanding academic record and who can not afford to pay their way through school. This would, theoretically, replace the sports scholarships that college football supporters praise. For the most part, the same students (those who struggled in high school and could not otherwise afford a college education) will be brought into the university, where, ideally, they will be trained into highly succesful individuals. By replacing sports scholarships with this different type of scholarship, the money spent on sports will be directed into education; education, after all, is the primary purpose of college...or is it?
Please note that I know there are many, many very academically successful athletes. I also have nothing against football itself. My opinion is that sports scholarships do not have to be the only means by which athletes enter college.
- Adrian Elliott
I believe that recess is a huge part of growing up. So what if kids get hurt during tag? Kids always get hurt. My strongest memories of school have always been during recess, playing tag and chasing other kids around. If we were to take that away from other generations of kids I think the children would turn out a lot different. I agree with what Jinny said about people just becoming petty. It seems like everyone is just creating problems that don't exist. Recess is an important part of childhood and there is no reason to take it away.
Children are young, active and of all, impatient. When they start out in school they are more likely to have a short attention span. If a person were to take away the time a child has to blow off energy, I am assuming the classroom will not be a place i'd want to be. By this I am saying, recess is a time for children to take a break, have fun and make friends. Though there are risks at recess of one getting hurt, it is a learning expierience where as a child needs to learn from mistakes because they continue through out life.
People can not always protect the children. There are always going to be times when a child is going to get banged up and bruised. It does not solve anything by taking this time away from them because it will cause disruption in classrooms because they are unable to sit in a room for a long period of time.
Chilren also use this time to make new friends, adventure and express the small amount of freedom a child has. I do feel that there should be supervision, though I do believe every school has a teacher outside to supervise the children at play. Taking recess away from them and banning them from this is not the way to go, it will only cause the children to loose the time for education because they would be unable to pay attention rather than gain time for education.
Brittany Hagge
All four of these articles we have read have one thing in common: You may not have an immediate opinion, unless the subject affects you directly. What I mean by that is: each topic takes a specific stance for an argument, and unless you are already biased to the subject matter, you need to use your deductive reasoning to determine which side you belong. To do this we would use our freshly acquired argument skills.
In the Story of, “All’s Not Well in the Land of the Lion King,” we are overwhelmed with a sense of an in your face judgment of a childhood movie. 1. To the writer, it seems that the argument is reasonable; however, to her audience her ideas may seem over the top and unreasonable. 2. She does well to treat her audience as jurors, but assumes that the audience already has an understanding of discriminatory stereotypes. 3. She lets the audience know right away what she intends to discuss (i.e. Thesis) 4. She does a decent job leading into her “story” of going into the theater with her children to help to build credit for her because she is a mother and also build common ground with other parents in her audience. 5. She does not do well to anticipate the reader’s objections. She just puts “it” out there. 6. Her conclusion covers her thesis again, and it allows her argument to be opposed.
It is each author’s prerogative to decide how they are going to argue their points, but to make a consistently strong argument throughout your essay, it would behoove you to follow the principles, or techniques learned in class. In my opinion, the “lion king” essay was lacking.
I think recess is a good thing for a number of reasons. Some of those reasons are: exercise, teamwork, perseverance, character and the list could go on. However, I do think it is important to have child safety. I believe the schools should have supervisors for the kids when they are on the playgrounds. Also, in order to avoid lawsuits, the schools should put video cameras out on the playgrounds, to give the school legit credibility. To prevent serious injury, the recess grounds should be soft and accessible to kids of all ages and sizes. To completely ax recess would be a shame and not really help anybody. In conclusion, there should still be recess, yet it should be monitored and have safe facilities.
brokaw
When we read "All is Not Well in the Land of the Lion King" I was suprised at what the author was getting at. Yes, we've all seen the obscene things in the Disney movies. I watched all of these movies and I can honestly say that I'm not "brainwashed" from them. As a kid I would've never thought that the Lion King was racist, no way. You can't even tell the part about the priest in The Little Mermaid unless you slow it down. To see or hear this stuff you have to have a keen eye and good hearing, but more than likely little children are going to be so enthralled with the rest of the movie that there's no way that they'll notice this stuff. Also back to the Lion King being racist, no, seriously who thinks of this stuff? I think that critics are always trying to find something wrong with everything. They make up things that could possibly mean something. They're just trying to cause a stir and get their 5 minutes of fame. I think that the author of this story is completely wrong, his ethos, pathos, and logos, aren't logical. Honestly, I think they need to get a hobby.
-abshafer
I think banning recess and tag from young kids would be a bad decion. Recess is a time where kids get out of the class room and get to have a little fun, I remember when i was that age, thats about the only thing I looked forward to during school. If you leave young kids in the class room all day they are not going to learn a whole lot, they will be bored and their minds will wander even more than they already do. Tag is a game that all young kids play and have fun with, yes kids are going to get hurt and banged up once in a while but its a part of growing up, it happens to every kid. If your going to bad tag because you're afraid kids will get hurt, you might as well ban parents and buses from driving them to school, they have just as good of a chance to get hurt on the drive there as they do playing a game of tag.
The author uses pathos in his argument by talkin about parents sueing schools for the kids getting hurt. Parents need to suck it up as well, they have to realize every kid gets hurt at some point and you have to deal with it.
Tyler Wendell
In the article All's Not Well in the Land of the Lion King, Margaret Lazarus is trying to read into things that are not there. She is accusing Disney (the creators of Mickey Mouse for pete sake) of being some what perverted.I have watched The Lion King a hundred times,and I never precieved it it the way she did. I don't think she is just being cinical about Disney in general.
I still remember the good recess that I had in my school, we have about two recesses at that time. I also enjoyed my snack and my orange juice, it was also time to talk with my friends, but was a good rest of my brain for 15 minutes. But now the recess is a little bit risky because students can bring guns, stat fights, do drugs, and sexual harrestment can happen and it gives students the perfect time to skip class. However every body needs some rest from class, work, exercice, etc. The best part of the recess is the communication between girls and boys, but my suggestion is all recees must be superviced by adults from school, specially in elemetary school.
I also believe that the game tag is a very fun game, yet it can be dangerous specially nowdays with all the violence on TV, magazines, video games ect.
I believe that the article that attempted to demoralize the Lion King should have never been published. The movie has been watch by millions of children since its debut in 1995 to now. The messages in the movie are in no way promoting homosexuality. The article claimed that Mustafahs brother was a sissy because he had the dialect and mannerisms of an intelect as opposed to the real savage mentality that is not marketable or acceptable. I was personally insulted by the rash generalizations made in the article basically because I really enjoyed the movie when I was a child and don't believe that the author of that editorial would go on good morning America and share her intelligent conclusion of the lion king
Mike Ross
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